Lets Figure Out Afghan Mission’s Objectives First
While everybody is awaiting President Obama’s Tuesday evening speech on Afghanistan strategy to be broadcast out of the United Military Academy at West Point, we are still awaiting some definition of what it is that we are trying to achieve there. To the best of our knowledge nobody has defined either the Iraqi, nor the Afghan war’s mission objectives – not Bush and not Obama.
At least, the president is reportedly going to address his planned exit strategy. That’s better than nothing, but are we waiting for a few more ministers of the Karzai government to be indicted for corruption, before we withdraw the troops which – at a cost of $1 million per year, per soldier – are propping up his regime?
The mission objectives should of course be the absolute first thing to be addressed and that’s why we have decided to re-post this article, originally published here on November 3, 2009.
Since the original article was posted there have been some overtures by the Karzai government to engage “moderate elements” of the Taliban, so we stand corrected on that point.
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While the Obama administration ponders whether to send tens of thousands of additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan, as General Stanley McChrystal proposed and as everybody is trying to figure out what impact the Afghan run-off election, which has never taken place will have on the overall situation there, we still haven’t really figured out what it is that we are trying to achieve there.
“A foreign army alone cannot beat an insurgency; the insurgency in Afghanistan requires an Afghan solution,” wrote General McChrystal. In view of that probably sound assessment, why would we need an additional 40,000 U.S. troops?
Lets first of all decide what is it that we are trying to achieve in Afghanistan. Is it hunting down the remains of al-Qaida and maybe finally catching up with Osama bin-Laden? Or maybe something that sells in Washington, DC, but it doesn’t sell in Afghanistan – a stable Karzai government? Or maybe we are trying to defeat the resurgent Taliban? Or are we trying to transform the Afghan society? Are we including Pakistan in our grand plan?
Speaking of the Taliban, we haven’t heard any proposals to include this group in possible talks about forming a coalition government. No doubt that this omission is a really big mistake.
As things stand, eight years into an occupation of Afghanistan even the military are saying that we have not achieved anything, but that the situation on the ground has in fact deteriorated. What in fact appears to be the main problem is not the remains of al-Qaida, or the Taliban itself, or even the rampant corruption among the ruling clique, but rather the militarization of the Afghan conflict.
The military “solution” is obviously not working in an environment as complex as the one in Afghanistan and Pakistan for that matter.
One cannot expect the average U.S. serviceman to understand the very complicated tribal, ethnic, or language problems of the country he, or she has been shipped to.
The actual solution to the problem staring us in the eye appears to be getting the foreigners out of Afghanistan, rather than increasing their number.
When in 2001-2003 troops were truly needed in Afghanistan, they got diverted to the insane invasion and occupation of Iraq.
To make a long story short: we don’t even know what problem, or problems that we are trying to solve in Afghanistan are and we are still talking about changing our military strategy and increasing the number of troops. What are those troops supposed to do there? What do we expect from them? What is their mission? Nobody seems to have an answer to any of these questions.
Our advice to the White House team is to first come up with a mission statement, to nail down what it is that we are trying to achieve in Afghanistan and whether getting involved in that country is really in the U.S., or the world’s interest.
Throwing more troops into the Afghan quagmire, without even having a clear objective is clearly not the way to proceed.
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“Speaking of the Taliban, we haven’t heard any proposals to include this group in possible talks about forming a coalition government. No doubt that this omission is a really big mistake.”
Well since the Taliban don’t believe in a coalition governmnet or any government besides one run 100% by them I don’t see how this could be a “mistake” as you say.
Harrison, has anybody asked them lately?
The reality seems to be that unless they are given a role in the government, they will keep on fighting. Is that the goal?
Funny you should ask!
“This matter was also raised in the past,” said Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, referring to comments last month by Obama, who spoke of reaching out to moderate Taliban.
“They have to go and find the moderate Taliban, their leader and speak to them. This is a lunatic idea,” Mujahid said by telephone from an unknown location.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1166477/U-S-peace-offer-Afghanistan-lunatic-idea-says-Taliban.html
Maybe that should have been described as an “undisclosed location”, just like the one that Dick Cheney seemingly spent his tenure? A very “moderate” man indeed.
And I fully agree with Zabihullah Mujahid. It would be a lunatic idea, because the idea is to speak to the Taliban, not what our bureaucrats define as “moderate Taliban”. Would they even know who is who among the Taliban, if most of them don’t know which end is up?
Besides, that story and that offer are from April. Since then the Taliban have made quite a few gains and we still don’t know what our mission in Afghanistan is.
Your idea would have been like asking Hitler to appoint a Jew in charge of the SS.
The unconfirmed rumor is that he did.
Or have Bush court-appointed to be the president of the United States.
Heydrich was not head of the SS.
It was Himmler
I had not heard this. Heydrich did probably have Jewish blood and Hitler figured this would make him come down harder on the Jews but Himmler I don’t think fell into this category, though he did have a clubbed foot. Not quite master race material.
There’s no question that Himmler, Heydrich and Hitler (for some reason all start with “H’) were true scumbags.
I love it… all of the sudden Democrats are worried about spending money. Ha ha that’s a really good one! Have any more funny jokes for me?
C’mon Harison! Wasn’t the really serious money spending done mostly under your idols Reagan and Bush?
Obama has spent more than either and I never voted for them.
Obama is spending trying to fix what Reagan has started and Greenspan, Bush and their ilk have messed up.
I am pleasantly surprised that you have never voted for Reagan, or Bush. That says a lot.
Well Obama is doing a piss poor job hopefully he’ll not get re-elected.
There are troubling absolutes being bandied about both in the posting and the comments. For example:
“we still haven’t really figured out what it is that we are trying to achieve there.”
“…even the military are saying that we have not achieved anything,”
“The military “solution” is obviously not working…”
“One cannot expect the average U.S. serviceman to understand…”
“we don’t even know what problem, or problems that we are trying to solve in Afghanistan…”
All of these comments have a very reasonable basis, and all bear directly on the questions faced by the President. However, all these comments also lack much evidence of a careful consideration of the nuances of the situation. Obama cannot make any headway with overly simplistic sorts of topical decisions. The war is much more sophisticated than that. Some choices which might seem relevant in an environment of over simplification don’t really exist in the reality of what’s going on right now.
There is no “on/off” switch once a few billion dollars worth of stuff has been inserted in theatre, 100,000 troops from six or eight countries have been committed to combat there, and all the “enemy combatants” have been royally pissed off by terrible decisions made in the past.
We probably shouldn’t stay and we probably shouldn’t leave, and Obama had nothing to do with creating this disaster. We will just have to grow up enough to take one more of the continuing bashings of the W’s cynical willingness to sacrifice absolutely anything to his throne of domestic propaganda.
It seems that there are simply not enough hill billies and bigots left willing to join up to fight yet another desperate, ridiculous hang over of W’s War on Terror.
Harrison should trot out a name of someone he thinks might do a better job of being President. It’s very classy to simply not like anyone — not Reagan (highest tax increase ever), Bush Sr. (no new taxes, uh…), Clinton (national debt descended to less than $50 billion after Reagan and Bush Sr.) or Bush Jr. (national debt ascended to ten trillion) or Obama, trying to make sense out of it.
I’m not impressed.
Yes indeed, Chad. Maybe we should have a presidential poll posted here, where all of those ever so unhappy with Obama’s performance could suggest their “better” candidates? Could it be Palin, or Rush, or maybe Glen Beck…
By the way, I am certainly not blaming Obama for getting us into Afghanistan, or Iraq. Quite the contrary. He did indeed inherit those wars from the neocons. Also, it is sometimes harder to disentangle oneself from a war, than to get involved in one and we cannot expect instant results. At the same time, since we are involved and since we are probably about to get involved further, could somebody provide us and the troops as well with a reasonably clearly-stated mission statement for Afghanistan?
I will not even bother to request one for Iraq, as that one was such a total and complete failure of logic, decency, intellect and competence, that defining a mission statement in Iraq’s case would be akin to trying to believe in the great “leadership” and “patriotism” of the Bush 43 clique.
awww Mr P. you know the only mandate for afghanistan is to Keep the Price of Dope in the USA LOW and the Flow on GO.
that’s the ONLY Real mission of afghanistan.
they could hire the folks from FOX Reality Channel to help them spin it, since they are so effective at it already.
(ie: glenn beck show, RHOA; RHOOC; RHODC- coming soon)
honestly if they wanted the war in afghanistan to end, all they need is to go to the warehouse in dc where they keep the leftover vietnam era chemicals, and do a flyby dump. trust us, the vietnamese taught us a very important lesson -
pay attention to who is on the supplyside of the war economy and Invest Like a Drunken Sailor. We hate war but we love money so why not make everybody rich, by proclaiming Agent Orange the Saviour of the Day.
Whooo Ha ! I’m sure you see that this is a better fantasy than that stuff you are discussing above.
I’m kinda feelin that Bush 43 Clique thang.
that’s catchy. wonder if they’ll have a “O-44″
or “OOOOHHHHH Forty FO” Mofo’s.
that’s kinda catchy; so I might need to get my domain on now.
btw, it’s time for an update to the best story ever blogged
“Neocons on Parade” – the Bomb Reality show with NO END in sight.
Now that is what the Afghan people REALLY need now. To get poisoned by Agent Orange after some 30 years of war. Great idea
Well, that criminal clique is still around. Our vaunted “justice” system did not see fit to prosecute the traitorous bastards. Our jails instead are still full of people caught with tiny amounts of weed…
In the case of Governor Siegelmann of Alabama, some of those jail cells are filled with victims of Dick Cheny’s illegal prosecution team. (This is still going on in full swing, even after our government changed back to a democracy…)
As Americans, we have already had our now famous Guantanemo interrogation practices “thrown in our faces” by petty thugs internationally. Just think, we dared to criticise the way they were tearing people’s arms and legs off by comparing their bad habits to our own — clearly superior and much more civilized — “shining city on the hill” approach!
Rats. What now? Maybe if we wait long enough everyone will just forget about it.
Hm-m-m-m. Waiting …
Chad, I cannot think of another period in our recent history, when so much wrong has been done against so many people, like during the Bush/Cheney years.
In addition, as anybody with a reasonably well-functioning mind should realize, it was our country’s reputation and our democratic and human rights ideals, which have suffered the most in the process.
How about if we send hundreds of thousands of troops, all of our heavy artillery, and the full force of our figher and bomber planes? That would be a great exit strategy – actually end this war within a week and then you don’t have to worry about an exit. The exit will make itself once all of the enemy has either died or surrendered. If we were really serious about Iraq or Afghanistan we would quit messing around and just finish this thing and let the rest of the world know we’re done dealing with these scumbags. Sending 30,000 more troops will do absolutely nothing to help win this war. Just bring them home.
Well, Bobo and what would that actually accomplish? If the most powerful country in the world has to go in to a place thousands of miles away and obliterate it? Is that what we are all about?
I thought that the whole idea behind the creation of the United States was more along the lines of justice, democracy, human rights and so forth rather than aggression, torture and destruction…
Bobo’s plan may miss the unhappy fact that these folks have learned ways to fight which pretty much cancel out our advantages of having a modern, European army. Did he miss the headlines from W’s out-of-date, misdirected combat in Iraq? One side has fighter jets and explosion proof APC’s. The other side has teenagers and retarded women with C-4 strapped to their bellies. We speak of “winning hearts and minds,” while the other side has to settle for summary executions and mutilations done the first morning after we’ve gone. Even the “bright shiny object” of a developed counter-insurgency leaves a lot to be desired in terms of combat effectivity.
Toss in a near traitor who is friends with the ben Laden family, willing to veto a potentially successful military action at Tora Bora on a whim, and the odds start getting more and more even.
They will make us pay in blood for every inch of beautiful Afghanistan we intend to occupy. The only advantage our H-bombs enjoy is that they are already paid for.
Leave it to a neo-con to carefully select techno-genocide as the path to victory after he’s decided that all the other possibilities aren’t macho enough.
Yup. Yup.
On CNN with Larry King on Dec. 15, 2001, a viewer called in to say the U.S. should “smoke [bin Laden] out” of the Tora Bora caves. Mr. Kerry responded: “For the moment what we are doing, I think, is having its impact and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively and we should continue to do it that way.”
The rest of you guys should get a soapbox.
OK, Harrison, Now is the time for you to give us the mission statement for Afghanistan. What is our goal there?
Perhaps Mr. Harrison might add on the name of the President he would like to lead us through that…
Maybe it will help to remember that Democratic Presidents have a pretty good record of winning such conflicts.
I think the model should be similar to Germany, Japan, and South Korea but we will see what Dear Leader says he thinks it should be tonight.
Harrison, if it only was so easy… Germany, Japan, and South Korea have relatively homogeneous populations. Afghanistan does not.
Believe it, or not, I wanted to title Bush “Dear Leader” some time ago. Somehow that particular label does not seem to fit Obama too well…
Chad, it wouldn’t Lyndon Johnson. Would it?
Obama is Dear Leader for different reasons than the dictator in N. Korea.
It does not matter which president would do it best because we have this president for another 3 years so we’ll give him a shot and see how it goes.
That’s nice of you Harrison. How about another 7+years?
I’m pretty sure he’ll be a one termer but we’ll have to wait and see.
Ooops, POLITICUS! Good point. However, although at the time I was convinced that the poll driven, blood soaked LBJ would go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever — ambitious, poorly designed social programs notwithstanding — The W actually rehabilitated LBJ by taking the prize! Without a draft, the autocrat dodged all the persuasive public outrage, making the scope of his disaster somewhat more palatable under the cover of a masterful but deceptive domestic propaganda campaign.
Silly me. I was thinking of FDR or Truman.
In any event, grousing around in moments of more indulgent history just muddies the water concerning what Obama faces. If the W’s wet dream of being a “war time President” — even if that didn’t actually involve WINNING any wars — Obama will do well enough if he becomes the best “garbage collector President” by mapping an “on-the-ground,” actual solution to this train wreck.
That will begin by not making things any worse than they are, a concept not necessarily inconsistent with a troop build up. I am amazed at the number of otherwise rather enlightened pundits who are prepared to throw Barack Obama under the bus based on adolescent “talking point/bumper sticker” reasoning, devoid of much troublesome in-depth understanding.
We elected him because he is frighteningly clever and intelligent. The fact is, although all these talking heads are saying that he has already taken too long to solve absolutely everything in keeping with their whimsical perfection fantasies, he hasn’t done bad at all in his first year in office.
My compliments to the President. I will trust him to the hilt until something better comes along.
Chad and lets not forget that unlike W, LBJ had considerable achievements in the area of civil rights.
Nobody could free the slaves after Lincoln did. Bush did nominate the first Hispanic to the Supreme Court, the first black Secretary of State, the first black female secretary of state, the most ethnically diverse cabinet in WH history, and the highest funding for AIDS in Africa of any president.
Geez, Harrison…The way you put it, W was a true civil and human rights pioneer…
Let’s not forget the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Afghans…
For Democrats, they are an Inconvenient Truth.
And Madeline Albright thinks 500,000 dead Iraqi children as a result of Bill Clinton’s policies is “worth it” check out her words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4&feature=player_embedded
I’m surprised HE didn’t win a Nobel for that one.
Another Inconvenient Truth for Democrats.
Harrison, why is it always Republicans that and Democrats this?
Wrong is wrong, no matter how you slice it.
Your partisan liebe fest w/Mr. Hall is why.
Why, I love liebe fest!
Does Medicare Part D cover that?
Sometimes I’m concerned that I might be slipping into partisanship myself. Oh well, I’m trying to quit before I “tip my hand.”
Harrison, schön…sehr schön!
You “might be slipping into partisanship”?
Politicus… touch meine monkey!
Harrison, is your monkey a Republican?
My monkey is non-political. Will you touch him?
Not even with the proverbial 10-foot pole, Harrison!